Disability Rights 2020

New year, new plans for disability rights!

Our co-hosts for this episode, Robbie Kopp and Sarah Nichols, review some of the highlights from 2019 and drive home the ways to get plugged in and participate in disability rights in 2020. It's going to be a big year for the disability community in South Carolina as we celebrate 30 years of the Americans with Disabilities Act, further competitive and integrated employment, and so much more!

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Episode Transcript:

00:00 Robbie Kopp: It's been 10,777 days since the Americans with Disabilities Act was passed.

00:06 Sarah Nichols: And you are parked in the Access Aisle!

00:09 RK: My name is Robbie Kopp.

00:11 SN: And my name is Sarah Nichols, and we are your co-hosts for this episode of The Access Aisle.

00:16 RK: Welcome everyone, and happy 2020. This is our first episode of the year, hope that you'll go back and check out our content from 2019, and that you'll subscribe and get updates as we release them for The Access Aisle.

00:29 SN: Yeah, we've got a lot of good stuff on there. So today we're gonna be taking a look back at 2019, and we'll be looking forward into the new year. 2020 is a very big year for a lot of different reasons. We have the census, we have the presidential elections and we have this 30th anniversary of the ADA. Can I get a woop woop?

00:49 RK: Woop woop.

00:50 SN: And we have very ambitious goals for this year. Right Robbie?

00:53 RK: Absolutely. So right at the start of the year we released our legislative agenda, we're introducing several bills with our state legislators and senators, and we can't wait to get you listeners involved. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, let's look back at the highlights of 2019.

01:14 SN: Well, what would you say were some of the highlights from this year?

01:19 RK: I don't know, there were so many things that were a really big deal.

01:23 SN: I was hired. So obviously, that's a big one. But maybe more importantly, some might say, Able South Carolina celebrated its 25th anniversary. So we've been empowering independence for people with disability since 1994.

01:39 RK: That was a long time ago, and what a half century it's been. 2019 alone, so just one year, provided 11,880 services to individuals with disabilities.

01:50 SN: And we hope to increase that number in 2020. And so looking for a more national perspective, I know one bill that received some attention was the Raise the Wage Act. It received a lot of attention for its potential to increase the minimum wage to $15 an hour. But it would also do something very important for people with disabilities, and that is ending subminimum wage. Robbie, do you wanna explain what that is for our listeners?

02:17 RK: Absolutely. I think what's really interesting is Raise the Wage Act, when it first came through. The House got a lot of attention but didn't really get a whole lot of attention for the huge impact that would have on subminimum wage. So taking a step back towards what subminimum wage is, right now as the rules are written, it is allowable for organizations that get a special certificate to pay people with disabilities less than the minimum wage. So Sarah I'm gonna put you on the spot, how old do you think these rules are?

02:47 SN: I would guess, 75 years.

02:50 RK: 75 years, you were pretty close.

02:52 SN: Nice.

02:52 RK: Really stinking close, too close for me to do the math on. But really, the rules for... We call it the certificate 14C, it's part of the Fair Labor Standards Act from 1938. Because we should follow every 1938 rule in 2020.

03:09 SN: Nothing's changed since then.

03:12 RK: No, just about everything has changed, so I think it's really fascinating that we continue to try to follow something that maybe had some reason back in the past, but really makes no sense at all.

03:26 SN: We have to value the work of people with disabilities by paying them fairly.

03:29 RK: One of the things that I really hate about the subminimum wage conversation is that we find ourselves advocating for the minimum for people with disabilities. Can't even count on minimum wage. And minimum wage isn't high enough as it is. I think, in addition to the really devastating impact that subminimum wage has on individuals is the damage that it does culturally. Because subminimum wage exists, oftentimes employers expect that they can get away with less or paying less for people with disabilities, that devalues disability experience in innovation and it really just doesn't make sense.

04:14 SN: It doesn't. And that brings us to one of the big targets that we're working on at Able SC and through the Hire Me SC campaign. And that is supporting Employment First, which is competitive and integrated employment for people with disabilities. Do you wanna bring our listeners up to speed on what happened with Employment First in 2019 and where we might be going with it?

04:38 RK: Absolutely. So I'm gonna actually go back out of 2019. In 2018 we had been advocating for a bill that would give some clout to an organization, a small commission that would provide input on disability employment in South Carolina. We got all the way to third read on the Senate floor after it made it through the House, and guess what? There was a floor amendment. And the floor amendment changed the bill into a study committee instead of a commission, which functionally may not sound like all that big a difference, but it was a really big difference. So it did pass as a study committee which at least that happened, that is good news. The study committee convened and got together. Our executive director was part of that, Kimberly Tissot was on that study committee along with Mandy Powers Norrell, Representative Mandy Powers Norrell, and a few other folks. And they put together a comprehensive report on a snapshot of disability employment in South Carolina, and that report was released last year in 2019, in May and really has some huge highlights.

05:51 SN: It sure does. Disclaimer, I have not memorized all of this but I happened to have some facts before me here that I can share with you. So this is a very important report because it's really establishing why we need Employment First and competitive integrated employment for people with disabilities. So first, it looks at how South Carolina is behind in some ways. So currently out of the 727,000 South Carolina residents who have a disability, 67% are unemployed, which means that South Carolina has a sixth highest unemployment rate for people with disabilities in the nation.

06:31 SN: And that's the list that we don't wanna be at the top of. So this report also highlighted some states that have become a model for Employment First legislation, because if we wanna change things, we wanna see how... What's been successful in other states as well. And what they found was that 32 states have already adopted policies supporting the employment of people with disabilities, and it looks slightly different in those different states, but it's in the same common principles. But unfortunately, South Carolina is not one of them who has adapted this, so I don't know, maybe 2020 is the year. But Robbie, what do you think a model Employment First State might look like?

07:08 RK: There are so many things that states can do to further Employment First. And Employment First is really that idea that for serving folks with disabilities, the first and preferred outcome is competitive and integrated employment. So every one of those words packs a punch. We wanna make sure folks are working, shoulder to shoulder with people without disabilities, and that they're getting paid a fair wage, making the same as their colleagues and co-workers in the field. So what we see as really positive steps towards that is the state, potentially as a model employer, so here in South Carolina, the state has purview of over about 92,000 positions across state government and through state government contracts, which is a huge number. If we found that we could be inclusive in hiring 92,000 positions in, and with representation in every single county, that could have a huge cultural shift. We also know that there's a lot of service providers that have... That they answer to state government in some way, and really making sure that those service providers are pushing towards competitive and integrated employment, not sheltered workshops, not enclave employment, not contracts they have with companies so that they can do the work off-site and pay people pennies on the dollar.

08:27 RK: It's not what we're looking for, we're looking for competitive and integrated employment. There's a few challenges that we've gotta continue to address in South Carolina. We don't have any statewide incentives for hiring people with disabilities, we don't have good data on what our utilization rates are right now, which I think is a huge problem. We don't know if we're doing well or poorly, based on employment data. What we do know is that, from demographic data, about two-thirds of folks with disabilities in South Carolina aren't working right now. And that's not where we wanna be, especially as... The last number, I checked this out a couple of days ago, the last unemployment number for South Carolina, the unemployment rate 2.6% in October, which is... I don't know that I would have ever expected it to be that low and it's probably gonna end up getting lower over the next few months as well, but knowing that two-thirds of people with disabilities that are working age aren't working right now, there's definitely a clear gap here.

09:30 SN: 'Cause if you put yourself in the perspective of a business owner or an employer, you might be hiring for certain positions 'cause you're trying to grow your company, and you're having trouble actually finding anyone to fill those positions because the employment rate is so high, or the unemployment rate is so low. So you have a problem there is that you need good candidates to help make your company better and you're not finding them, well here we've just perfectly listed, there's this huge untapped workforce of people with disabilities who... They can work, and they want to work, often they're seen as incapable of doing the job, or the ways that they might do something differently, is perceived as not being able to do it correctly when that's just not true, or they might have the perception that they don't want to work, but that is very often not the case, and it's the perfect solution to the problem of the labor shortage that we're currently facing.

10:21 RK: Yeah, and we've talked some about employment in a previous podcast and we really had kind of a personal spin on that, from a colleague, Cali Sandel and what her experience has been on employment. So feel free to listen back to that podcast episode. Also, I think it's super important to think about where we're headed. So with employment, it's a fairly complicated problem, but the math just makes sense that employing people with disabilities is what should be the norm, and I think that that math kinda puts pressure on employers for us to get there. But really I think there's more room for us to understand what the particular pitfalls are in South Carolina, which is why I'm excited in 2020, there is legislation that's been introduced that would set up the Employment First Commission, as we had hoped for the year before last, I think being able to have the study committee and have a study committee report and have some of the problems clearly laid out gives us shoulders to stand on, as we address employment barriers in South Carolina. I would say employment of people with disabilities is a non-partisan issue, and we're super excited that out of the gate, there is bipartisan support. The two sponsors are Representative Collins out of Greenville and Representative Powers Norrell out of the Lancaster area. So we have folks on both sides of the aisle that are really wanting to address disability employment gaps.

11:55 SN: Because this is an issue that impacts everyone, it also benefits everyone, if it's integrated. So the name of that bill is the Employment First Initiative Act and the current number of the bill is H4768. And if you are listening to us right now and you're thinking, "Yes, that's great. People with disabilities can work, they wanna work. How can I help?" You might be asking, well, one great way to do this is by contacting your representatives and letting them know about the issues that you care about. But more on that later, we are also working on two other bills that have not yet been introduced, but will be soon, which are the Disability History and Awareness Month Bill and The Supported Decision Making Act. Robbie, aren't you excited for these two?

12:42 RK: I'm excited for both of these, and Sarah, you just mentioned contacting your law makers and being part of that process. You're not alone if you're thinking about doing that so we're gonna be releasing a podcast that kinda walks you through the steps, how do you make a relationship with an elected leader. So more to come, don't wait for us but if you feel like you need a little extra support there will be a podcast episode coming on that topic specifically.

13:08 SN: Absolutely.

13:09 RK: But let's talk a little bit about the other legislation that we're gonna be angling for in 2020.

13:16 SN: Yeah, so I've been really excited about the potential for a Disability History and Awareness Month that is established within the schools. So I can only speak for myself but I know that as a student going through the public school system in South Carolina...

13:31 RK: Public school yehey!

13:32 SN: Public Schools. I never learned about disability history or rights and even when we did learn about historical figures who had a disability like FDR for example, that was never actually brought into the conversation. So this is something that a lot of us who are even now integrated into the movement didn't learn about until much later in life even if some of us had disabilities and didn't even know it.

13:56 RK: I think the biggest takeaway from me, from public school and FDR was how much he had to hide his disability so if there's one takeaway from a leader that has a disability and that one takeaway is that they had to hide, that's just not... Not a great sign. I think there's so much more that we can do around disability awareness and really touching the historical aspect of that.

14:20 SN: And teaching about disability history there's so many benefits to that as well beyond just being aware of your own history.

14:29 RK: Well, nice yeah. I think when once students with disabilities were able to see a role model, someone that they can look to and identify with and see, "Hey, this diagnosis or whatever is going on with me isn't the death sentence that my doctor said it is." or "It isn't the the death sentence that my school guidance counselor thinks it is." I think that's just hugely important. We have historical figures from a lot of different places, a lot of different walks of life that have experience with disability and having those role models are hugely helpful and then I think just the disability rights movement itself and seeing the disability community rise up and organize and get connected with other rights movements and share in struggle and host sit-ins and chain wheelchairs to public transit I think it's so important to see that disability access is something that we have to fight for, but there's also the success that we have had in disability rights and making sure that we're kind of standing on those shoulders, we're about standing on shoulders today.

15:43 SN: Who are you stepping on Robbie?

15:45 RK: I don't know, but being able to build on that work and legacy and really that is a huge part of 8830. We do a lot of just basic disability sensitivity training and when I'm providing that training to pros in the field I always ask, how long people with disabilities had equal rights under the law? And I hear all kinds of things and usually it's somewhere in the '60s or the '70s but the truth is the struggle for access has gone on much longer than that and the biggest win of that movement with the Americans with Disabilities Act isn't that old from a historical perspective so we've...

16:26 SN: Only 30 years ago.

16:27 RK: Only 30 years. So we've got to continue that work in progress and you can't continue on it if nobody ever tells you that it happened.

16:34 SN: Exactly and we are lucky that we have Women's History month, African-American history month, and all these great things so that we really learn about leaders in these movements, in these marginalized communities and we just want disability history to be included in that and taught as well. I don't think we mentioned this but it's also learning about this is really great just for fostering individual disability pride, it can even help decrease bullying around disability in schools because for people who do not have disabilities who might either be unsure of how to approach a person with a disability just 'cause they've never been taught about it, this kind of helps bridge that gap and just really fosters more understanding in an age where kids are really trying to learn more and just understand the world and everything that they're seeing.

17:28 RK: Yeah, and I think once we talk about that personal perspective, being able to see where you fit as a person with a disability historically and what you've had to fight for, I think the level of empowerment that brings is really closely related to this supported decision-making idea that we're trying to press legislatively this year as well. So right now without an alternative, a recognized alternative to guardianship, a lot of families and a lot of school personnel and doctors feel like if I'm involved with a young adult with a disability the only option for me is to get a guardianship when they turn 18.

18:06 SN: Let's pause for a minute there and let's explain what guardianship means. There is a bunch of different types of guardianship and it can look different ways but let's just...

18:16 RK: Let's keep it on the simple side and we can dive into this issue...

18:21 SN: In another podcast, so keep listening.

18:22 RK: With another podcast, or with other content that we can host. So in broad strokes, the idea of a guardianship is something that is court-decided, and when someone has a guardianship, it basically takes away their legal ability to make decisions for themselves in some cases, that even includes the right to vote. So it can be incredibly limiting where an individual can't sign their own checks because that's signing a legal document, they can't sign other paperwork, disclosures, all kinds of things, and they're really reliant on this person who is an appointed guardian to make those legal decisions for them.

19:06 RK: Once someone is in a guardianship, the only way to get back out is through another lengthy court process. And what we're seeing is if there's an alternative that could be recognized legally in South Carolina as a way to support the decision-making people with disabilities, then maybe people wouldn't be funneled into guardianship as often as we see right now. So that's really the focus on supported decision-making. We... Supported decision-making is a recognized term. You may see SDM for short. What we're going for with supported decision-making is really just a legal recognition of how everybody makes decisions anyways.

19:42 SN: Yes. And we know that parents or guardians, when people are under 18, are really trying to find the best options for their youths with disabilities, but they might not always know what all of those options are. And supported decision-making is just another great option to have. It would allow people with disabilities to still be in control of their own lives and their own decisions while still having a trusted group of professionals and family members in place to help guide them in their decisions. 'Cause that's how everyone makes decisions, right?

20:17 RK: For those listening, if you've made a big financial decision, a purchase of a car, a house or anything like that, I'm sure you asked some experts that you trust, either about houses or cars, or finances or all of the above.

20:30 SN: Yeah, I know I consulted a lot of people before I decided to adopt a dog, maybe even more people than I needed to, but it was a big decision and I wanted to make sure that I was committing to something that would turn out well [chuckle] and would be good for me.

20:41 RK: Absolutely. Well, that's so much of what supported decision-making is. It's having that circle of trusted advisors and allies and keeping the individual's ability to decide for themselves completely intact. So we'd love to see recognition of supported decision-making as an alternative to guardianship in South Carolina.

21:03 SN: We sure do. So that kind of covers our main legislative agenda for 2020. So we talked about employment first, disability history and awareness, and supported decision-making. Of course, there are several other things that will come up in the course of the year that we might support and share information about, but this is kind of the crux of our 2020 year and what we're gonna be taking action on a lot.

21:29 RK: Yeah, these are state issues. So on the state side, we have already released a summary overview of our legislative agenda, and we'll share that wherever you get your podcast, check back at the Podbean website, and also on Able SC's website for each episode listing where you can get a link to that targeted action. Because right now you can fill out a very simple form, contact your lawmaker and let them know that disability rights are important to you, and that you want them to keep an eye out for employment, supported decision-making and disability rights history integration into education. So get involved.

22:08 SN: Yes. Yes, and I love this system so much because it's so simple and it kind of takes some of those lengthy bureaucratic steps out of the process for you. If you are listening right now and you want to jot down a quick link, I do have a shortened bit.ly link for you. So I'm gonna say that, but we will also link it down below in case you didn't catch it. So the link would be bit.ly/ablescaction. If you enter that in, it'll take you right to our form where you just put in just a little bit of information and the website will identify your state representative and senator for you, so you don't even have to go in knowing who those are, but you will when you leave. And they'll provide you... We will provide you with some talking points so you can customize your message but still have some guidance on what you might wanna say, and then you email it out to them and you're done. Easy-peasy.

23:06 RK: You can also tweet it. So the platform will walk you through on how to tweet the action that you took, and even flag your lawmaker and make sure that they're aware of what we're looking for in 2020.

23:19 SN: 'Cause some of these lawmakers do like to be active on Twitter, and it's a way that they engage with their constituency. So that's sometimes a way to get a faster response than via email, but I think both are very important. And social media is also a great way to encourage your friends to also take action. So now that we've covered our main goals this year, what can we look forward to maybe on a larger scale? [chuckle]

23:43 RK: We know there is a ton of content in this podcast episode, so I hope that you will take the time to listen, re-listen, share...

23:51 SN: Take notes.

23:51 RK: Take notes, share it with a friend, talk with a friend about it after they get to listen. But there's really a lot going on. So we've covered the state legislative agenda. Now I wanna share with you some of the big picture, a few federal issues that are going on right now so that we can be aware and be active with that. First is we're gonna be celebrating the 30th anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act.

24:15 SN: Whoa!

24:15 RK: Yeah! The ADA is huge. It is a piece of civil rights legislation focused on disability access that covers employment, it covers governmental programs and services, it covers public places, like private businesses, movie theaters, restaurants. It also covers telecommunications and protects people when they exercise their rights under the ADA. So it's really monumental, and it's so important that we celebrate it. I wanna share too that it's especially important that we celebrate it and the people know that we're proud of the Americans With Disabilities Act, because it seems to be under almost constant assault. Right now there is a House bill, the United States House of Representatives, it's HR4099, 4099, and it would basically gut the current enforcement arm of the ADA and make it so individuals with disabilities would have to inform a business that they have been discriminated against by their building, exactly what's wrong, how to fix it, and then wait for a response from that business.

25:04 RK: That response may take a month, and in that response, they don't even have to say, "I fixed it already." They can say, "I'll fix it in six months." So really, seven months of waiting around for barriers to be removed after 30 years of waiting doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. But it does appear to make sense to Representative Joe Wilson and Representative Tom Rice, two South Carolina representatives that have signed on to support this bill. Let's slow the train and make sure that they know the negative impact this would have on the disability community.

25:04 SN: Yes, that's very important. And speaking of the ADA, anyone who's listening today, you're hearing this first, but we will be having... [chuckle] I think Robbie is hearing this first, too.

26:15 RK: What is it?

[laughter]

26:16 SN: He looks very interested. We will be hosting events throughout the upcoming summer to celebrate the ADA and just fostering disability pride in general, and that's something we're gonna want the whole community, and all intersectional communities involved in. So definitely be on the lookout and stay tuned for more information on that soon, but we will have exciting stuff going on this summer.

26:39 RK: Woo-hoo! That's what Dory would say.

26:42 SN: That is.

26:44 RK: Another really big federal movement that we're seeing right now is the census. The census happens once a decade. I expect that we'll dedicate a whole podcast episode... I'm not sure how many podcast episodes we've promised in this one episode, but they're all coming.

27:00 SN: We're gonna have to get started.

[chuckle]

27:02 RK: For the census, we're gonna talk about really the value in being counted and the impact that an accurate count has. We know that people with disabilities are less likely to be counted in a census and we'd like to turn that on its head in 2020. There are so many federal resources and dollars that could come back to South Carolina when we have the accurate counts, people with disabilities, people without disabilities, making sure that we're getting our fair share in South Carolina. So that's huge. There will be specifics directly from the Census Bureau that you'll be getting starting in March. And Census Day is on April 1st.

27:44 SN: April 1st. What a funny day. It's April...

27:46 RK: Funny day.

27:48 SN: It is. It's April Fools Day, but you know what it also is?

27:52 RK: I have a feeling I know. It is also Advocacy Day for Access and Independence.

27:57 SN: How'd you know?

[chuckle]

27:58 RK: Advocacy Day for Access and Independence is a huge event. It is the disability rights celebration at the State House that takes place each year. We are holding it on April 1st. Disability rights ain't no joke, but we are having it on April Fools Day anyways. It's also Census Day, so the day we celebrate the census will also be the day that we celebrate disability rights. And really, one of the key messages that's gonna come out of that is, "I count." Because it's so important that every one with a disability is counted. We're not talking about tracking you, just talking about getting an accurate count so that the feds know how to allocate transportation dollars and housing dollars, and so many other dollars back to South Carolina.

28:44 SN: And like we were talking about earlier in not having sufficient data in some of these areas, being counted in the census will help with that. Going back to Advocacy Day, if you are listening and you haven't been to one before, or you might be curious about it, it is awesome, first of all, just thought I'd throw that out there...

29:04 RK: I think so.

29:04 SN: But it's also a great opportunity to really show the power that people with disabilities have in our community and in the legislative process. I know last year we had, I think over 20 partners involved, and we had about 600 people turn out at the State House...

29:22 RK: 587 was our peak count at Advocacy Day.

29:25 SN: And that really demonstrates the power that the disability community can hold and that we want to share a voice and we want to be counted. And it's also a really great introduction to people who might wanna get involved in the legislative process, or just wanna find a community of people who care about the same issues that they care about. So it's really like a great introductory moment or a place to expand upon your activism.

 29:53 RK: Absolutely. It's kind of a jump-off point. I think a lot of times for folks that haven't been evolved or... Evolved, weird. Haven't been involved in a political process...

 30:04 SN: You've probably evolved.

 30:04 RK: Yeah, some way or another. Haven't been involved in a political process, Advocacy Day is a really great way to see how easy it is to get in front of the folks that are elected to serve us at the State House, get in front of the folks that make decisions on what our life looks like on a day-to-day basis, and it's also just a really fun, easy day to come and hang out with people from across the state with a lot of different experiences, all raising one call for access and independence.

 30:36 SN: Mm-hmm. Talk about community.

 30:38 RK: For sure.

 [chuckle]

30:40 SN: Again, that's April 1st. So if you're interested in attending, of course it's free to attend, it's a public event, but we do like to have an idea of the numbers of people who will be attending. So if you go to our website, able-sc.org, you can find a link to register on there, or you can check out Advocacy Day's own website...

31:05 RK: Unlockingbarriers-sc.org. Check it out. What's really cool and what I'm especially excited about in 2020 is we're gonna... We're encouraging people to take individual actions of advocacy leading up to Advocacy Day. So we have three issue areas that we're really focusing on transportation, employment and public access. These things are not new. The barriers that exist in these areas aren't new to the disability community in South Carolina, but this is a year that we're gonna take some really direct action on how to remove those barriers. So public access, we are asking people to share positive posts about what is accessible in the community. What works for you? Where do you like to go? Where do you like to be? How can we show that there is a benefit, a public benefit to accessibility? Another is transportation. Taking a ride with a community leader. If you use public transportation where you live, chances are, your elected representation has not used that public transportation resource.

32:09 RK: So take a moment, invite them to take a ride, ride with them, talk to them about what's important to you and help them get a fuller understanding of disability. Also for employment, we are putting together an employment first pledge and hope to be releasing that super soon. It is a way for individuals and employers and elected officials and service providers and educators to all make one pledge to further competitive and integrated employment in South Carolina. And it doesn't sound as complicated as [chuckle] it may seem. There are action steps that we can all take now to further disability employment. So we'll be taking these actions leading up to April 1st. You'll see information about that on social media, on e-blast, if you're subscribed. If you're not subscribed...

33:01 SN: What you waiting for? [chuckle]

33:02 RK: Yeah, go ahead, subscribe. You can even subscribe while you register to attend Advocacy Day. So two birds, that's short for two birds with one stone, and it's actually kind of aggressive. And I'm sorry I used that reference. But yeah some really great things that we can do. So I would encourage you all to look at or look out for content that's coming through #AccessInSC, that is the hashtag that we're gonna be using for this positivity campaign and to share advocacy actions leading up to Advocacy Day, and really following Advocacy Day too.

33:38 SN: Yep. And follow Able Sc on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, and LinkedIn if you're fancy, and we'll be sharing all of that stuff as well. Whew! So, I know we just...

33:50 RK: 2020, man.

33:51 SN: 2020, there's so much going on, and probably even more that we can't even imagine yet. But I know we just threw a ton of content at you, a bunch of ideas. This is just kind of an overview podcast. So since we promised you about 20 more podcasts in this one episode, you can expect a more in-depth dive into a lot of these topics, as well as our website, social media, always host more resources and where you can learn more about some of this.

34:20 RK: Get plugged in, make that the 2020 resolution. Get plugged in to disability rights, subscribe to the podcast. Get plugged into Advocacy Day. Get plugged in to our social. Just do it. 2020 is the year for disability rights.